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		<title>By: The City Of Killeen</title>
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		<dc:creator>The City Of Killeen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2011 00:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The City Of Killeen...&lt;/strong&gt;

[...]Clinton-Bush Gun Control Enabled Fort Hood Massacre &#171; J. Neil Schulman[...]...</description>
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		<title>By: J. Neil Schulman</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. Neil Schulman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2011 23:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
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&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Pete McAlpine:&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;
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 &lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;My Uncle who served in the Pacific during WWII said it was routine to completely disarm the American soldiers except for MPs after an Island was taken from the Japanese, even when armed Japanese soldiers were hiding in the jungle, etc. killing American soldiers whenever possible!&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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Policies regarding keeping soldiers, sailors, and Marines armed varied among base commanders in different theaters and different threat levels. What changed under Clinton was removing the authority from base commanders who were career military, and handing the authority over to the Secretary of the Army, a short-term political appointment.&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
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<strong><em>Pete McAlpine:</em></strong><br />
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<p><strong>My Uncle who served in the Pacific during WWII said it was routine to completely disarm the American soldiers except for MPs after an Island was taken from the Japanese, even when armed Japanese soldiers were hiding in the jungle, etc. killing American soldiers whenever possible!</strong></p>
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Policies regarding keeping soldiers, sailors, and Marines armed varied among base commanders in different theaters and different threat levels. What changed under Clinton was removing the authority from base commanders who were career military, and handing the authority over to the Secretary of the Army, a short-term political appointment.</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Pete McAlpine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete McAlpine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2011 17:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, I heard discussion of the unarmed state of the soldiers at Fort Hood a number of times on talk radio, but the issue never got traction because the filthy, stinking major media never mentioned it.  Talk radio has broken the media monopoly to an extent, but the major media still succeeds in framing most issues even so. . .   Freedom cannot begin to be restored until the major media outlets are WRENCHED from their current owners and the current talking heads fired!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, I heard discussion of the unarmed state of the soldiers at Fort Hood a number of times on talk radio, but the issue never got traction because the filthy, stinking major media never mentioned it.  Talk radio has broken the media monopoly to an extent, but the major media still succeeds in framing most issues even so. . .   Freedom cannot begin to be restored until the major media outlets are WRENCHED from their current owners and the current talking heads fired!</p>
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		<title>By: Pete McAlpine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete McAlpine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2011 17:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;My Uncle who served in the Pacific during WWII said it was routine to completely disarm the American soldiers except for MPs after an Island was taken from the Japanese, even when armed Japanese soldiers were hiding in the jungle, etc. killing American soldiers whenever possible!&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>My Uncle who served in the Pacific during WWII said it was routine to completely disarm the American soldiers except for MPs after an Island was taken from the Japanese, even when armed Japanese soldiers were hiding in the jungle, etc. killing American soldiers whenever possible!</strong></p>
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		<title>By: J. Neil Schulman</title>
		<link>http://jneilschulman.rationalreview.com/2009/11/clinton-bush-gun-control-enabled-fort-hood-massacre/comment-page-1/#comment-46</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Neil Schulman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 01:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;It&#039;s hard for me to even figure out how calling Randy Herrst my &quot;Yoda&quot; and a &quot;Lion of the Second Amendment&quot; can be regarded as insulting. But when a man whose expertise on Second Amendment issues I&#039;ve relied on for close to two decades left it to me to uncover a Clinton-era Department of Defense policy, never reversed during the Bush administration, that removed policy development for base security from the individual services and base commanders and imposed civilian standards for gun-carrying on military personnel, I&#039;ll admit to disappointment.

That Randy&#039;s first published writings on the topic of unarmed American soldiers including combat veterans  being slaughtered on their American homeland base by a single handgun-armed attacker and having to wait ten minutes for civilian police officers with no combat experience to save them did not show any anger at our troops being treated as if they were unworthy to defend themselves made me feel abandoned and angry.

If Randy Herrst wanted to argue the pressing need for a new security policy on military bases, why didn&#039;t he even address the issue of the unarmed soldiers at the point of attack? If anything, the murder of disarmed American combat veterans on base should have angered Randy even more than it angered me.

But at least from what he published in the five days following the Fort Hood shootings before I wrote and published my column, Randy was silent on this issue. And that silence was unacceptable.

Randy challenges me, &quot;If the military is going to allow soldiers on base to be armed, the following parameters ABSOLUTLEY MUST be decided: Who, What Conditions, When, Where. If you refuse to address that question, there is ZERO chance of ever implementing self-defense carry on miliatry bases. ZERO.&quot;

No, sir. You&#039;re the expert. You write it. If you have no other outlet I&#039;ll publish it right here as a bylined Guest Column.

But if it does not start with principles you taught me that it is evil for dozens of unarmed American soldiers to have to wait to be rescued when they are under attack, then you bet your ass that I&#039;ve taken what you taught me and outdone you.&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>It&#8217;s hard for me to even figure out how calling Randy Herrst my &#8220;Yoda&#8221; and a &#8220;Lion of the Second Amendment&#8221; can be regarded as insulting. But when a man whose expertise on Second Amendment issues I&#8217;ve relied on for close to two decades left it to me to uncover a Clinton-era Department of Defense policy, never reversed during the Bush administration, that removed policy development for base security from the individual services and base commanders and imposed civilian standards for gun-carrying on military personnel, I&#8217;ll admit to disappointment.</p>
<p>That Randy&#8217;s first published writings on the topic of unarmed American soldiers including combat veterans  being slaughtered on their American homeland base by a single handgun-armed attacker and having to wait ten minutes for civilian police officers with no combat experience to save them did not show any anger at our troops being treated as if they were unworthy to defend themselves made me feel abandoned and angry.</p>
<p>If Randy Herrst wanted to argue the pressing need for a new security policy on military bases, why didn&#8217;t he even address the issue of the unarmed soldiers at the point of attack? If anything, the murder of disarmed American combat veterans on base should have angered Randy even more than it angered me.</p>
<p>But at least from what he published in the five days following the Fort Hood shootings before I wrote and published my column, Randy was silent on this issue. And that silence was unacceptable.</p>
<p>Randy challenges me, &#8220;If the military is going to allow soldiers on base to be armed, the following parameters ABSOLUTLEY MUST be decided: Who, What Conditions, When, Where. If you refuse to address that question, there is ZERO chance of ever implementing self-defense carry on miliatry bases. ZERO.&#8221;</p>
<p>No, sir. You&#8217;re the expert. You write it. If you have no other outlet I&#8217;ll publish it right here as a bylined Guest Column.</p>
<p>But if it does not start with principles you taught me that it is evil for dozens of unarmed American soldiers to have to wait to be rescued when they are under attack, then you bet your ass that I&#8217;ve taken what you taught me and outdone you.</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Randy Herrst</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Herrst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 01:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Re: Neil&#039;s post of 6:20 am

My previous discussions of self-defense principles with you were almost entirely in the context of civilian self-defense, so my analysis of reactions dealt with the way a lone civilian would be likely to confront criminals, not the way military units would face terrorists.  There is a small amount of overlap, but the differences are much greater than the similarities.

I reiterate that every military unit should ALWAYS be in Condition Yellow, 24/7, and they can afford to do that because they always have lots of trained soldiers at their disposal....unlike the typical civilian or civilian police force.  The problems are somewhat different, as are the solutions.

Ask any military unit in hostile territory, and they will tell you that they are ALWAYS ready for overwhelming immediate response if they are attacked, so there is never more than a few seconds of surprise in the enemy&#039;s favor.  My point regarding Ft. Hood was that they have a duty to be on a similar level of alert, even though they are on U.S. soil, becuase the enemy has been bringing the war to us since 1993.

So, no, it isn&#039;t that you are using my principles to outdo me; rather that you are abandoning my procedures to insult me.&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Re: Neil&#8217;s post of 6:20 am</p>
<p>My previous discussions of self-defense principles with you were almost entirely in the context of civilian self-defense, so my analysis of reactions dealt with the way a lone civilian would be likely to confront criminals, not the way military units would face terrorists.  There is a small amount of overlap, but the differences are much greater than the similarities.</p>
<p>I reiterate that every military unit should ALWAYS be in Condition Yellow, 24/7, and they can afford to do that because they always have lots of trained soldiers at their disposal&#8230;.unlike the typical civilian or civilian police force.  The problems are somewhat different, as are the solutions.</p>
<p>Ask any military unit in hostile territory, and they will tell you that they are ALWAYS ready for overwhelming immediate response if they are attacked, so there is never more than a few seconds of surprise in the enemy&#8217;s favor.  My point regarding Ft. Hood was that they have a duty to be on a similar level of alert, even though they are on U.S. soil, becuase the enemy has been bringing the war to us since 1993.</p>
<p>So, no, it isn&#8217;t that you are using my principles to outdo me; rather that you are abandoning my procedures to insult me.</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Randy Herrst</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Herrst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 00:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;I invite a substantive, rather than theoretical, response to my posts.

To this point, no one who is criticizing me has been willing to address the single most important question:  If the military is going to allow soldiers on base to be armed, the following parameters ABSOLUTLEY MUST be decided: Who, What Conditions, When, Where.

If you refuse to address that question, there is ZERO chance of ever implementing self-defense carry on miliatry bases.  ZERO.  

There is not the slightest possibility that the military will allow armed off-duty soldiers to enter WMD bunkers, base armories, ready-alert sites, or C3I facilities.  There are a number of other places where armed on or off-duty soldiers will not be welcome.  Work on that and there might be some hope.

As for my lauded techniques and GCIVC, note that my approach has always been fact based in order to expose the lies of the other side, so I am not guilty of abandoning my principles.  I know enough about the military to know that the military is ultimately about maintaining the security of the country, and not primarily about self-defense for its soldiers.  So if you want to ever achieve a wider range of rights for the soldiers, you must educate the military about the facts, and you must educate yourself about the military imperatives.  The military is neither a democracy or a republic, but a duty-based organization wherein the soldiers voluntarily accept some restrictions on their rights for the length of their contract.

Insult me all you want; that will not change the facts in the real world.  But when you insult me, at least try to use my actual words and principles rather than setting up malicious red herrings and straw men.  I would appreciate it.&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>I invite a substantive, rather than theoretical, response to my posts.</p>
<p>To this point, no one who is criticizing me has been willing to address the single most important question:  If the military is going to allow soldiers on base to be armed, the following parameters ABSOLUTLEY MUST be decided: Who, What Conditions, When, Where.</p>
<p>If you refuse to address that question, there is ZERO chance of ever implementing self-defense carry on miliatry bases.  ZERO.  </p>
<p>There is not the slightest possibility that the military will allow armed off-duty soldiers to enter WMD bunkers, base armories, ready-alert sites, or C3I facilities.  There are a number of other places where armed on or off-duty soldiers will not be welcome.  Work on that and there might be some hope.</p>
<p>As for my lauded techniques and GCIVC, note that my approach has always been fact based in order to expose the lies of the other side, so I am not guilty of abandoning my principles.  I know enough about the military to know that the military is ultimately about maintaining the security of the country, and not primarily about self-defense for its soldiers.  So if you want to ever achieve a wider range of rights for the soldiers, you must educate the military about the facts, and you must educate yourself about the military imperatives.  The military is neither a democracy or a republic, but a duty-based organization wherein the soldiers voluntarily accept some restrictions on their rights for the length of their contract.</p>
<p>Insult me all you want; that will not change the facts in the real world.  But when you insult me, at least try to use my actual words and principles rather than setting up malicious red herrings and straw men.  I would appreciate it.</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Art</title>
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		<dc:creator>Art</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was on Camp Pendleton in the mid thru late 1980s POW had to be kept in your unit armory, though one could easily check them out during the day (though ammo was only available on the rifle range and other exercises). 

The only people regularly armed were MPs at the gate and elsewhere, officers and SNCOs of the day for each battalion, and the guard platoon for each area (subsection of the base like San Mateo). These guards were at the armory and other places. The guard/reaction platoon was a line company platoon. They slept in the same barracks and were armed there and on their posts but couldn&#039;t wander with their weapons. If something happened within our part of the camp though they could react quickly, certainly not as long as 10 minutes as at Ft. Hood. 

In the parts of the base where the infantry was not stationed, such as near the hospitals, I don&#039;t know if they had such platoons on standby. Possibly a reaction there would take longer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was on Camp Pendleton in the mid thru late 1980s POW had to be kept in your unit armory, though one could easily check them out during the day (though ammo was only available on the rifle range and other exercises). </p>
<p>The only people regularly armed were MPs at the gate and elsewhere, officers and SNCOs of the day for each battalion, and the guard platoon for each area (subsection of the base like San Mateo). These guards were at the armory and other places. The guard/reaction platoon was a line company platoon. They slept in the same barracks and were armed there and on their posts but couldn&#8217;t wander with their weapons. If something happened within our part of the camp though they could react quickly, certainly not as long as 10 minutes as at Ft. Hood. </p>
<p>In the parts of the base where the infantry was not stationed, such as near the hospitals, I don&#8217;t know if they had such platoons on standby. Possibly a reaction there would take longer.</p>
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		<title>By: BREAKING NEWS FROM FOX !! MASS Shooting at Ft.Hood in Killeen Texas !! - Page 64</title>
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		<dc:creator>BREAKING NEWS FROM FOX !! MASS Shooting at Ft.Hood in Killeen Texas !! - Page 64</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 00:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] rules.  Here&#039;s a little light reading for those interested (note this is an editorial of sorts): Clinton-Bush Gun Control Enabled Fort Hood Massacre  I don&#039;t know about anyone else, but when I picture being on a military base in my mind, I picture [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] rules.  Here&#39;s a little light reading for those interested (note this is an editorial of sorts): Clinton-Bush Gun Control Enabled Fort Hood Massacre  I don&#39;t know about anyone else, but when I picture being on a military base in my mind, I picture [...]</p>
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		<title>By: bud</title>
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		<dc:creator>bud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to get in between you two, but let me add my recollection.

I spent 2 years of my life saluting in the late-60&#039;s and I don&#039;t remember *ANY* duty station I had that authorized POW for anyone under field grade officers. Perhaps without BIllC&#039;s order, the &quot;military culture&quot; would have changed by now (with the volunteer force), but in those days they simply didn&#039;t trust the largely draftee enlisted ranks with loaded weapons. And, as an aside, knowing some really room-temperature IQ soldiers, I can&#039;t really blame them.
(POW - Personally Owned Weapon)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to get in between you two, but let me add my recollection.</p>
<p>I spent 2 years of my life saluting in the late-60&#8242;s and I don&#8217;t remember *ANY* duty station I had that authorized POW for anyone under field grade officers. Perhaps without BIllC&#8217;s order, the &#8220;military culture&#8221; would have changed by now (with the volunteer force), but in those days they simply didn&#8217;t trust the largely draftee enlisted ranks with loaded weapons. And, as an aside, knowing some really room-temperature IQ soldiers, I can&#8217;t really blame them.<br />
(POW &#8211; Personally Owned Weapon)</p>
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